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Ferienhaus am See mit 3 Schlafzimmern

Dieses Ferienhaus am See bietet eine Küche und einen Patio

Übersicht
Ausstattung
Richtlinien
Lage

Außergewöhnlich

3 Schlafzimmer2 BadezimmerPlatz für 10 Gäste148.6 m²

Beliebte Annehmlichkeiten

Parkplätze verfügbar
Wäschetrockner
Haustiere erlaubt
Grill
Waschmaschine
Kamin

Place, Long Lake
Place, Horseshoe Lake
Place, Wall Lake
Airport, Grand Rapids, MI (GRR-Gerald R. Ford Intl.)

Zimmer und Betten

3 Schlafzimmer (Platz für 10 Personen)

Bedroom 3

2 Doppelbetten

Schlafzimmer 1

1 Queen-Bett

Schlafzimmer 2

2 Doppelbetten

2 Badezimmer

Badezimmer 2

Badewanne oder Dusche · Toilette

Bathroom 1

Badewanne · Toilette

Weitere Räumlichkeiten

Terrasse oder Patio

Küche

Separater Essbereich

Garten

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Ferienhaus am See mit 3 Schlafzimmern

Nur 2 1/2 Stunden von Chicago, Long Lake, Delton im SW Barry County entfernt, in der Nähe von Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo und Battle Creek Michigan.
Haus ist 1600 sq. Ft. 3 Schlafzimmer, 2 Bäder ganzjährig Seeufer mit 100 ft. Auf dem See.
Genießen Sie 40 ft. Dock zum Angeln oder binden Sie Ihre Boote an.
Long Lake ist ein 300 Hektar großer See mit Federspeicher, der sich hervorragend zum Angeln (Zander, Hecht, Barsch, Barsch, Bluegill usw.), Bootfahren, Wasserski fahren, Jetski fahren und Schwimmen eignet. In Ruderentfernung vom Haus gibt es eine Sandbank an einem See, wo Sie sich entspannen oder schwimmen können. Genießen Sie wunderschöne Sonnenaufgänge und Sonnenuntergänge, während Sie die lokale Tierwelt beobachten, die der See zu bieten hat.
Das Haus verfügt über Premium-Sat-TV, BlueRay-Player, Mikrowelle, Kaffeemaschine, Geschirrspüler, Kühlschrank, Full Size Range, Waschmaschine und Trockner. Es gibt einen Propangrill auf einer großen Terrasse mit Blick auf den See.
Alle Bettwäsche und Handtücher werden gestellt oder selbst mitgebracht.

Zusatzinformationen zu den Mietpreisen
• Wöchentliche Mieten 1.500 $ / Woche Hochsaison, 900 $ Frühling und Herbst.
• Mietsaison: Spätfrühling, Sommer und Herbst.

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Grundfläche:
• 1600 sq. Ft.
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Standorttyp:
• See
• am Wasser
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Thema:
• Familie
• Weg von allem
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Allgemeines:
• Toilettenpapier zur Verfügung gestellt
• Handtücher inklusive
• Bettwäsche wird gestellt
• Deckenventilatoren
• Seifen basisch
• Klimaanlage
• Zentralheizung
• Wecker

• Papiertücher
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Küche:
• Kühlschrank
• Gewürze
• Mikrowelle
• Waschmaschine
• Wäschetrockner
• Mixer
• Herdplattenbrenner
• Langsamkocher
• Brotmacher
• Kaffeemaschine
• Backofen
• Geschirrspülmaschine
• Kochutensilien
• Toaster
• grillen
• 4-Plattenherd
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Wohnzimmer:
• Kamin
• bequeme Sitzgelegenheiten für 10 Personen
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Essen:
• Esszimmer
• Sitzgelegenheiten für 6 Personen
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Badezimmer:
• 2 Badezimmer
• Badezimmer 1 - WC, Dusche / Badewanne
• Badezimmer2 befindet sich im Hauptschlafzimmer, WC, Badewanne / Dusche-Kombination
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Schlafzimmer:
• 3 Schlafzimmer, 10 bis 12 Personen
• Hauptschlafzimmer - 1 Queen
• Schlafzimmer 2 - 2 Doppelzimmer
• Schlafzimmer 3 - 2 Doppelzimmer

Unterhaltung:

• FERNSEHER
• Videobibliothek

• Bücher für Kinder
• Premium-Satellit
• BlueRay-Player
• Spiele Kinder
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Draußen:
• Grillgas im Freien
• Außengrill Holzkohle (Ask Caretaker)
• Bootsrutsche anlegen
• Feuerstelle
• Holzdeck
• 10 Gartenstühle

Gib zur Preisangabe die Daten an

Ausstattung

Küche

Waschmaschine

Wäschetrockner

Haustierfreundlich

Kostenloses WLAN

Klimaanlage

Hausordnung

Check-in ab 16:00 Uhr

Mindestalter für die Miete: 21 Jahre

Check-out vor 11:00 Uhr

Kinder

Kinder (0–17 Jahre) erlaubt

Veranstaltungen

Veranstaltungen sind nicht gestattet

Haustiere

Haustiere erlaubt: Hunde und Katzen von bis zu je 23 kg (insgesamt maximal 3 Haustiere)

Rauchen

Rauchen ist nicht gestattet

No tents at all. Quite hour at 11PM. It is a quit

Wichtige Informationen

Wissenswertes

Diese Unterkunft wird von einem privaten Gastgeber verwaltet (eine Partei, die nicht im Rahmen ihrer gewerblichen, geschäftlichen oder beruflichen Tätigkeit handelt). Das EU-Verbraucherrecht, einschließlich Widerrufsrecht, gilt nicht für deine Buchung, sie wird jedoch von den vom privaten Gastgeber festgelegten Stornierungsbedingungen abgedeckt.

Für zusätzliche Personen fallen möglicherweise Gebühren an, die abhängig von den Bestimmungen der Unterkunft variieren können.

Beim Check-in werden ggf. ein Lichtbildausweis und eine Kreditkarte, Debitkarte oder Kaution in bar für unvorhergesehene Aufwendungen verlangt.

Je nach Verfügbarkeit beim Check-in wird versucht, Sonderwünschen entgegenzukommen, sie können jedoch nicht garantiert werden. Eventuell fallen zusätzliche Gebühren an.

Partys oder Gruppenveranstaltungen sind auf dem Gelände der Unterkunft streng verboten.

Der Gastgeber hat angegeben, dass die Unterkunft über einen Kohlenmonoxidmelder verfügt

Der Gastgeber hat angegeben, dass es in der Unterkunft einen Rauchmelder gibt

Zu den Sicherheitsvorrichtungen dieser Unterkunft gehören ein Feuerlöscher und ein Erste-Hilfe-Kasten.

Was wir noch erwähnen sollten

Diese Unterkunft ist nur mit dem Auto erreichbar

Zur Gegend

Delton

Dieses Ferienhaus in Delton liegt direkt am Wasser. Wer sich für Kultur interessiert, ist hier richtig: Gilmore Car Museum und Historic Bowens Mills. Zu den weiteren Attraktionen der Region gehören Cadwallader Park und Gun Lake County Park. Erlebe Wasserspaß pur beim Jetskifahren und beim Wasserskifahren ganz in der Nähe oder genieße einfach die Natur beim Jagen oder beim Radfahren.

Weitere Ferienunterkünfte in Delton anzeigen

hope township, MI

In der Umgebung

Long Lake - 3 Gehminuten - 0.3 km
Horseshoe Lake - 7 Autominuten - 2.0 km
Wall Lake - 14 Autominuten - 8.4 km
Gilmore Car Museum - 23 Autominuten - 20.4 km
Gun Lake - 29 Autominuten - 21.5 km

Fortbewegung vor Ort

Flughafen Kalamazoo-Battle Creek Intl. (AZO) – 45 Fahrminuten

Restaurants

‪Horn Creek Pub - ‬18 Autominuten
‪Tujax Tavern - ‬9 Autominuten
‪Sajo's - ‬9 Autominuten
‪Bowens Family Dining - ‬11 Autominuten
‪Hero’s Food And Spirits - ‬9 Autominuten

Häufig gestellte Fragen

Ist Ferienhaus am See mit 3 Schlafzimmern haustierfreundlich?

Ja, diese Unterkunft heißt Hunde und Katzen (max. 3 insgesamt) mit einem Maximalgewicht von bis zu 23 kg pro Haustier willkommen. Es können Beschränkungen gelten. Für weitere Details kontaktiere bitte die Unterkunft.

Wann ist der Check-in bei Ferienhaus am See mit 3 Schlafzimmern?

Check-in ab: 16:00 Uhr.

Wann ist der Check-out bei Ferienhaus am See mit 3 Schlafzimmern?

Check-out ist um 11:00 Uhr.

Wo befindet sich Ferienhaus am See mit 3 Schlafzimmern?

Dank der ausgezeichneten Lage am Ufer ist dieses Ferienhaus nur einige Schritte von Long Lake entfernt. Im Umkreis von 5 km befinden sich zudem: Horseshoe Lake und Cloverdale Lake. Ebenfalls nur bis zu 5 km entfernt: Number Twenty-one Lake und Shallow Lake.

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Die Bewertungen werden in chronologischer Reihenfolge angezeigt, unterliegen einem Moderationsprozess und wurden verifiziert, sofern nicht anders angegeben.

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9,6/10

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9,8/10

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9,8/10

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9,8/10

Lage

9,8/10

Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

10/10 – Hervorragend

Merrie S.

4. Okt. 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Beautiful lake view, very quiet! Loved it!

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im September 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Mariah A.

21. Sept. 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Wonderful place! So peaceful on the water, well stocked, pet friendly, and excellent communication!

Aufenthalt von 3 Nächten im September 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Jayne L.

23. Aug. 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

The home was very clean and well appointed. The outdoor area had a nice grill, pier and small beach. The lake itself was clean and large enough to enjoy the pontoon boat (which we also rented). It's close to nice golf courses as well.

Aufenthalt von 14 Nächten im August 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Vanessa D.

13. Aug. 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Fabulous property! Pics represent it well, and we had a great week at the lake. Even did some tubing with the pontoon. Great for families especially with the sandy beach area for kids to play.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im August 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Kristen T.

3. Aug. 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

We had an excellent week! Was not expecting the cottage to be so big! There was plenty of space for everyone! It was very clean! The kitchen was very well stocked with all utensils and appliances you could possibly need! And it was amazing to have AC and a washer/dryer! Outside, we loved the shade tree in the yard! It was 90 degrees plus the week we stayed so it was very needed! I saw other reviews that had some negatives about geese, but we didn’t experience that at all. We would highly recommend this location to anyone! It was the perfect getaway for the week:) thanks Ned and Gorica!

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juli 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Michael L.

29. Juli 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

The cottage was as listed and the communacation was excellent. Our family all enjoyed our vacation and is already considering this location for next year.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juli 2025

8/10 – Gut

Sandy J.

5. Juli 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Lake week

A picture perfect weather week at Long lake. We enjoyed being lake front and having the boat. Nice that it was well stocked with paper products, spices, soaps. Normally you get a “starter” pack and have to bring your own but all that was provided. We had some issues with sheets being stained and the boat but both the property manager and owner addressed all concerns and fixed immediately. The boat should be cleaned up better for the renters and lights need fixed. We all said we would go back!

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juni 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Mary H.

30. Juni 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Loved this place

The cottage was stocked with everything we could possibly need. Comfortable beds, furniture, kitchen pans and utensils were wonderful. There was nice deck furniture and plenty of life jackets. We were so thankful for the large shade tree to protect us from the beastly hot sun while we were there. Thank you for sharing your cottage for our family.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juni 2025

10/10 – Hervorragend

Stephan J.

24. Juni 2025

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Perfect

We really enjoyed our stay. The cottage is much roomier inside than I had anticipated. There's lots of seating everywhere, giving you lots of options of where to spend your time. Even though we were there kind of early in the swimming season, the lake bottom was surprisingly hard sand out to the end of the dock and nice for walking around. Our 4 year old really appreciated the small beach area. For those that like to fish, we found the lake has a ton of bluegills and small largemouth. We also caught several small walleye. The lake has pike and, supposedly, smallmouth, but we didn't catch either.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juni 2025

8/10 – Gut

Dr. Cheryl A.

15. Sept. 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Great fishing location . Beautiful

Very responsive manager and owner. Pontoon older but worked and enjoyed rides and fishing. Lots of room. Huge TV. Great deck. Lots of kitchen supllies.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im September 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Jeff R.

27. Aug. 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

A great summer stay

We stayed first last year too and really loved the place and the location. It's a nice lake. Communications with the manager and owners was great and everything was in good working order. The stay was enjoyable for the family.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im August 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Susan B.

20. Aug. 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Cottage

We had a wonderful week! My family says this is the favorite cottage of all that we have rented previous years

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im August 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Vanessa D.

13. Aug. 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Another great stay!

This place is so nice for families! We were here for the second year in a row and were very pleased with our stay. The other reviews posted here are very accurate - could the place use updating? Maybe, but honestly I love it just the way it is.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im August 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Lisa l.

4. Aug. 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Beautiful views

Beautiful views of lake and quiet especially during the week. Sand bottom to end of pier. House needs updating and some TLC but was satisfactory. Loads of kitchen accessories. Didn't rent pontoon boat but it needs a really good wash down.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juli 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Jim H.

22. Juli 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Just as good the 2nd Time

We also stayed at this house in July 2023 and after looking at some other places for Summer 2024 we decided to come back here. With 3 bedrooms and 2 full baths it is just the right size for my wife and I along with our daughter and her husband and their 5-year old twins. The nice size yard and the gently sloping sand beach are perfect for the grandkids. While the house is a bit dated it has good size bedrooms, a decent kitchen, dining area, and large family room all on one floor. And the washer and dryer come in very handy. The only glitch we had on this trip is that when we arrived the owners were still there working to address an issue that had happened during a prior renters stay. Check-in was at 4:00 and it was closer to 5:30 before we got in but everything was fine then. The kayak that was supposed to be at the house was also missing (blew away during a storm?). Anyway it was nice to meet the owners and they graciously provided us with use of the pontoon boat for the week at no additional charge (other than the cost of gas). One other thing to be aware of; there is a youth camp directly across the lake from this house and they can get a bit loud, especially during the afternoon. Overall though, I recommend this place if you're looking for a reasonably priced house right on the lake. A couple of suggestions for the owner - 1) install more towel bars in the master bath, 2) provide some Tupperware or something similar for storing leftovers during the week.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juli 2024

8/10 – Gut

John N.

1. Juli 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Long Lake Vacation Rental

PROS The hosts were very attentive and checked with us multiple times during our stay to make sure everything was ok and to our satisfaction. The location of the cottage makes it easily accessible from mid-Michigan with very little travel time. The kitchen was well equipped with just about any small appliance you might need for preparing meals. There is a large deck facing the lake and provides a nice setting for relaxing. Our family enjoyed fishing directly from the dock. A water cooler with bottled water is provided and located next to the kitchen in the living room. This was most helpful with cooking, making coffee, and just getting a cold drink of water when needed. During the mid-week of our stay, there was very little boat traffic on the lake and the area was mostly quiet. CONS The cottage is older and could use some updating. The interior has a significant amount of darker wood paneling which makes having shades open and/or lights on a necessity. Some brighter wall colors in painted areas would help too. The yard is fairly flat and rain received during the week caused some ponding making traversing somewhat difficult. The mattress is the master bedroom was in need of replacement. The central air conditioning was an older unit and when needed (outside temps above 80+) had a difficult time cooling to 75 degrees or lower. Bathrooms could use additional towel racks. The pontoon boat also rented could use some attention and updating.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juni 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Michele B.

18. Juni 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Wonderful, relaxing vacation

House was in a small lake community and had everything needed for cooking. We grilled out twice. Used the firepit. The beds were very comfortable. We were able to relax, unwind and view the lake. We were close enough to town (Hastings) to run to wal mart and get all of our food for the week. The host called to check in with us and answered questions. I would definitely go back again.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juni 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Nathan F.

28. Mai 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Memorial Weekend 2024

This is my 1st VBRO experience and I was so impressed with how easy and convenient it was. The owners really know what they are doing and had everything you could need at the property. Very well stocked with supplies and convenience items. I will def go here again.

Aufenthalt von 3 Nächten im Mai 2024

8/10 – Gut

Harold R.

22. Mai 2024

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Verbesserungswürdig: Kommunikation

Our stay

They could do better with the geese and insects and wi-fi but still had a great time

Aufenthalt von 3 Nächten im Mai 2024

10/10 – Hervorragend

Jeff R., Grand Rapids, MI

6. Sept. 2023

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Labor Day weekend family getaway

What an awesome place! A perfect lakefront house. On a real nice lake, with nice frontage. The house is very nicely kept and the perfect size for 6 of us in our family. The weather was perfect and we got to enjoy the optionally rented pontoon.

Aufenthalt von 3 Nächten im September 2023

10/10 – Hervorragend

Mike C., Chicago, IL

23. Aug. 2023

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Perfect for R&R, very quiet and peaceful

Great place to stay if you’re looking for a quiet, relaxing getaway! Everything you can possibly think of is already at the house, you can even rent the owners pontoon boat. The owners are very helpful and responsive. We will be back again!

Aufenthalt von 3 Nächten im August 2023

10/10 – Hervorragend

Mary S., Chicago area USA

22. Aug. 2023

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Loved the lake front ranch home!

Our daughters and their spouses joined us for one week on Long Lake. It was a great vacation. We enjoyed being on the lake with a beach and dock with the rental pontoon boat. The water in Long Lake was so clear and clean - really lovely! Also the yard, deck and fire pit were great for enjoying the outdoors and the lake, the sunset and the stars, swimming and kayaking (We also rented two additional two-person kayaks from the Gun Lake Marina about 20 minutes away transporting them on our car roof racks, because we love to kayak.), and fishing up and down the lake. The house had good hang out space indoors and for dining and food prep. Bottled water always chilled made things easy. Sleeping rooms were as represented and comfortable. Also it was great looking out on the ripening fruit trees in the front lawn. The pears were nearly all gone but various types of apples were abundant and a few peaches were still on the tree. The neighborhood was friendly. We walked the dog up and down the road which provided a decent distance for a people walk or a dog walk. Owners were accessible and responsive. We had a very enjoyable stay!

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im August 2023

10/10 – Hervorragend

Michael R., Chicago

15. Aug. 2023

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Great lake house with everything needed for a great vacation.

Booking and setup was very easy and streamlined. Instructions on access and everything about the lake house were simple and easy. The host was always very attentive before and during our stay. They really wanted us to enjoy ourselves. The house was plenty big enough for a family of four with a dog. House was stocked with all supplies needed for our stay and had all the amenities as described and then some. We rented the boat and enjoyed fishing and just cruising beautiful Long lake. The kids swam every day and played in the nice little beach steps from the back door. Nearest town is Hastings and has everything you need for groceries, supplies and dining out. Long lake is a great little community and we will be back again.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im August 2023

10/10 – Hervorragend

Vanessa D.

14. Aug. 2023

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Perfect for a family!

We had an excellent stay and made lots of memories! The beach area is perfect for young kids. My 2 and a half year old had a blast, and I felt very comfortable with him on the deck and in the yard and on the beach. Grandparents all had a great time also. It was nice that the house had lots of space and was all one level. The camp across the lake was so fun to watch and listen to! We found it to be really entertaining and not at all disruptive as the campers are on a very set and predictable schedule. My toddler napped inside from 1-3 each day and could not hear any of the hootin and hollerin of the campers swimming, so don’t let that give you cause for concern. Neighbors were extremely quiet and/or not home. Lake itself not crazy busy and felt very safe for kayaking, fishing, boating, swimming, etc. We plan to be back again!

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juli 2023

8/10 – Gut

Karen H.

1. Aug. 2023

Gut: Sauberkeit, Check-in, Kommunikation, Lage und Genauigkeit des Onlineauftritts

Nice lake property for family

Good size house & availability of pontoon paddleboat kayak great. Big deck & sandy beach area perfect for small kids. Kitchen well equipped but disappointed w oven & dishwasher. Would suggest grab bars in masterbath as tub is difficult to get into for adults & children. Step outside door to deck def needs repair.

Aufenthalt von 7 Nächten im Juli 2023

Über den Gastgeber

Zu Gast bei Ned or Gorica

We came from Europe 30+ years ago and live in Chicago area.

Darum fiel die Entscheidung auf diese Unterkunft

We were visiting a friend that lives on the lake and fell in love with it. We liked quiet evenings, crystal clear water and sky full of stars.

Das macht diese Unterkunft einzigartig

If a trendy cafe around the corner is your thing than this is not the place for you. This is quiet, lake side fires, hanging on a raft kind of place, fishing, etc. Turn of the cell phone and relax, bring the dog and watch the sun set, or later on gaze at the star filed sky that you never noticed before.